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[sathor]

This makes me angry.

I guess the one hippie/party type relative i have's boyfriend/husband i think is pagan...and i never even got to talk to him about it, damnit.

He told my aunt that her mother wants her back...then continued, your earthmother.

And it was bothering my aunt, because she's christian...or slacker christian like most people i guess, doesn't attend church, just finds it absurb when someone doesn't have faith in the christian god...

Well, i had my mom set her straight. Paganism has been around longer and having that said to you by someone is probably more of a good thing...but i still need to have my mom relay the message that maybe my aunt should look into paganism...

And i want to talk to that guy. Maybe i can finally have a teacher that's in flesh and blood.


I got my driver's permit today, yay. But i don't like cars damnit...-sighs-

Oh...and i have a question...

WHY DO THE IRAQIS HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN SECURITY WHEN THEY DIDN'T CREATE THE HAVOC THAT NOW EXISTS?

America says they don't want to provide more troops, they are the fucking ones who went in there and took down whatever government that was there. They should fucking solve it.

I may be being slightly biased, but i'm pissed. So BLAH!

Comments

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Well, lets see havoc...if everyone else is allowed to state their opinion, I think i'm allowed too. What's the point to taking offense to an opinion again?

If it seems like there's venom there, there's not...i just don't understand why people always tell me to 'watch what i say'.

My say...

[jennb.livejournal.com]

Jake... what the fuck did I tell you about this persecution complex shit you keep playing up? You're just pushing the poing again that you're a teenager whose opinion of himself is currently far over inflated and hasn't obtained enough maturity to respect opinions that are contrary to yours in an adult fashion.

Of course you're allowed to state your opinion. But being rude and telling everyone else that the opinions they have every right to hold are absolute bullshit because you said so without giving more than some nonsensical babble that has more emotional than factual base to it is a very good way to piss off your friends that don't appreciate having their views belittled and mocked, trigger tempers (which there are plenty of around here and especially about topics like this) and makes me want to add you to the list of children I wish to strangle. Quit it, you're not that dumb.

Yes, I learned all of this the hard way. I'm the first to admit that I was an obnoxious, opinionated little shit when I was your age, which is why I'm not going to kick your ass when you annoy the hell out of me, because I hold onto the hope that you're growing up.

As to the topic at hand regarding Iraq and U.S. troops... well, you've read and responded to what I said earlier. As to perspectives, well maybe you should have looked at it from that angle, and as many other angles as possible. There are pros and cons to every action, it's a rule of balance, something good, somewhere, somehow, will always come out of hte most horrible of events. The question is, relative to the individual trying to pass judgement on an event, does the good outweight the bad, do the many overcome the few, and other such platitudes but you should get the idea. As much as I hate to admit it, the horrible things done to the Jews by Nazi scientists during the Holocaust sped up the acquirement of understanding and knowledge of human physiology by decades, maybe centuries.

Your problem is that you tend to react before you think, or else you latch onto the first thought that comes into your hormone riddled adolescent brain before any other idea can come to you.

And again, back to Iraq just a moment before I cease to be so long winded;

You're bitching and moaning about how the United States should be responsible for providing troops to fix the problems over there. Where exactly are those troops going to come from? Whether it's right or not, the US military is occupied with multiple fronts and stretched between many different and separate issues currently hand. To provide an entire police force for a nation that is now nothing but a cess pool of anarchy, a situation that yes is mostly our fault because we took out what little order there was, but again, where are the troops supposed to come from? If you are going cry about how awful it is to expect a nation desperate for a return to rule of law to do some of the work itself, then when the draft comes around your ass better be in line and ready to put on a uniform, because that is where those troops will come from. If you expect them to be provided, you better be prepared to contribute to the effort.

If I believed in this war, I'd say damn the consequences and be at the recruiter's office right now. But I don't, so I'm not. But if there is another attack on U.S. soil right now, I will join the Marines like I originally intended to if they'll still take me, and if not I'll join the Reserves. Just because I happen to utterly despise the montrous beauracracy the Republic has rotted its way down to does not mean I have no sense of patriotism.

Jake, people tell you to watch what you say because you don't think before you spew out nonsense. Think things through and understand a thing from every angle and perspective you possibly can before you declare a rock solid conviction on it. There is a reason that the few things I do believe, I believe in so strongly.

Ok, I'm done.

Re: My say...

[sathor.livejournal.com]

This conversation isn't worth it. I wrote my opinion in my lj, i didn't expect a damn person to say anything about it, and now you're bitching about my immaturity and lack of ability to see it from different perspectives.

I even stated, 'I may be being slightly biased here, but I'm pissed, so blah'.

Leaving leeway for the fact it may have been an irrational decision on the whole troops-not-being-sent-to-iraq deal.

But what's the point, i'm not as smart as any of you so i'll never win a battle.

Re: My say...

[onyxdubh.livejournal.com]

Your say, in your journal, has every right to exist. And if you don't like people's comments, delete them. That what everyone else does. But keep in mind that it makes you look far more immature to remove them.
'I'm so unsure of my arguments that I have to remove all disenting opinions.'
If, on the other hand, you really are interested in a discussion, don't escalate simple comments into a full fledged fight. Please. It serves no purpose. Because once the yelling begins, the listening ends.
Similarly, a word to the wise. What you know as Paganism has in fact been around for a while. About 43 years or so. It's a lot of 'Gee, this is cool. Let's use it. And let's leave out the icky part over there. Or the annoying part here.'
Unless you've begun burning men, and drinking the blood of the animals you killed, and haven't told me.
You say 'The Goddess' doesn't like sacrifices. I, personally, do not believe in some nameless, faceless spirit known as 'The Goddess.' The Paganism of old had names for everyone. Names hold power. And invoking the name of the deity you want invokes their spirit. Not only that, but sacrifice is a longstanding tradition among the ancient religions.
If, in fact, he mentioned the Earthmother, then it would seem that his path of spirituality is far closer to yours than mine is. However, coming to a christian about it and basically questioning her faith is exceptionally rude. If you don't like it when they do it to you, you have no right to do it to them. The fact that your religion is 'older' doesn't give you the right to insult their own faith.

Augh. I'm rambling.

Re: My say...

[sathor.livejournal.com]

I was just angry when i wrote the entry, so i was being a bit out of character, especially in the 'returning the favor of questioning faith' deal. She's really a great aunt honestly, but i don't get along in the religion department in my family really.

You're right about the sacrificing, and honestly i can see why they did it...but i wouldn't do it in this day and age. I don't name my goddess because it is what works for me. Over time i might develop and become a far more traditional druid, or i might just stick with what i have...only time is going to tell.

Thanks for the comment geoffy.

Re: My say...

[onyxdubh.livejournal.com]

I was just angry when i wrote the entry,
I find this is often the case when entries like this come up. Breathe, and think before you reply.

You're right about the sacrificing, and honestly i can see why they did it...but i wouldn't do it in this day and age.
The universe is in balance. To bring something in that disrupts that balance is one of the hardest magical feats you can ever accomplish. And it usually disrupts everything. There is always a price for everything you do. And if you are unwilling to pay that price, eventually the debt catches up with you.
This is the theory behind all sacrifical magic. A drop of blood for a life. A life for many lives. And so on. It is a rare thing to kill. But when it is necessary, the power raised from the death of a sacrifice can accomplish nigh unto anything. Including appeasing fickle gods to get what you need.
Sacrifice does not always involve life. Or even blood. A coin. A bit of metal. A bit of energy. A bit of time. All of these are valid sacrifices also. A libation, a bit of food...
All gods like to be remembered.

Over time i might develop and become a far more traditional druid, or i might just stick with what i have...
Druidism is a very specific path. What you are now is not it. I'm sorry. But that would be like saying that a Jew For Jesus is really a Jew. And I'm sorry. But by violating the most important tenet of your faith, you have just decided you are no longer a member of that faith. Over time, you may develop from what you are into a druid. Or you may stick with what you are. Both are perfectly acceptable and understandable paths. I merely object to unfitting labels.

Re: My say...

[sathor.livejournal.com]

-nods- I still call myself a pagan for the most part and labels are labels, honestly i prefer not to have any at all...we are what we are, as long as we are happy as what we are what difference does it make.

I always wanted to learn more of asatru, if you'd be willing to teach, i'd be willing to listen. The only way i'll ever find the exact path i should be following is to learn as much as i can about as much as I can.

Re: My say...

[onyxdubh.livejournal.com]

I still call myself a pagan for the most part and labels are labels, honestly i prefer not to have any at all...
If you are Pagan, than you give yourself a label. That is your choice. And if you choose to believe in 'pagan' deities, than you give yourself an applicaple label. And I do not object. Do not, however, complain if other people give you the same label.

I always wanted to learn more of asatru, if you'd be willing to teach, i'd be willing to listen.
Asatru is a religion. Not a system or style of Magic. If you are looking for other religions like Wicca, you've come to the wrong place. The Magic in Asatru is faith based, yes. But in an inherently different way from Wicca. One can be a Godhi of the Aesir and have no talent at Galdr or Seidhr.
Similarly, one can be a Vitki or a Seidhmadhr, and have nothing more than a passing relationship with the gods.
If you are truly interested in the Faith of the Aesir, I reccomend you check out livejournal.com/~asatruar. I am not exactly equipped to teach you about faith in anyone save my own gods. And there are more out there than just the few I work with closely. I can give you the overview, but nothing specific.
If, however, you are interested in Seidhr and Galdr, I reccomend before you begin studying them that you do, in fact, research the Aesir and the Vanir, and understand what you get yourself in for when you agree to their rules to work their magic. No style is free of contract. Remember that. Nothing comes for free. Least of all, Magic.
Odhinn gave his life for the Runes, and for Necromancy. He gave his eye for a drink from the well of Mimir. And he gave his son to assure the Aesir a place after Ragnarok. If you are unwilling to match his sacrifice, then you are unwilling to take his power.