Elfpath can suck it.

[sathor]

I think Rohaa is a young male, preteen or teenager. I really thought Elfpath might've had something useful to teach me eventually, that it may have worked up to some valuable information, but it is obvious from the way Rohaa reacted to my "big words" that he/she has nothing valuable to offer. PhD? Yeah right. Middle school dumbass.

[3:02:47 AM] Sathor: Rohaa? Do you know when you'll next be available to give a white belt test?
[3:03:04 AM] Rohaa: ive some time now
[3:03:31 AM] Sathor: It wouldn't be too much trouble then?
[3:03:53 AM] Rohaa: not at all. it was night last time you said hi :)
[3:04:27 AM] Sathor: I am a bit of a night owl
[3:05:12 AM] Rohaa: ready?
[3:05:24 AM] Sathor: I suppose...lets see what happens
[3:05:36 AM] Rohaa: alright. tell me how you would define what energy is
[3:06:33 AM] Sathor: Energy is a kind of force, it permeates and interconnects everything and is present almost everywhere
[3:06:46 AM] Sathor: But especially so in living things
[3:07:24 AM] Sathor: It's a spiritual force that's not necessarily contingent on the material though
[3:07:34 AM] Rohaa: can you explain that?
[3:07:50 AM] Sathor: Which part?
[3:07:53 AM] Sathor: The last?
[3:08:20 AM] Rohaa: yes
[3:08:46 AM] Sathor: energy does not need matter to exist
[3:08:55 AM] Sathor: although the opposite is likely true
[3:09:46 AM] Rohaa: and how would you say the two interact?
[3:10:12 AM] Sathor: I think it is mainly on a subtle level that is hard to perceive
[3:11:18 AM] Sathor: energy plays a role in everything, and it is a part of all matter, but I'm not certain matter has much of a role in energy itself
[3:11:26 AM] Sathor: An issue of as above so below, I think
[3:11:36 AM] Sathor: the inverse is not always true
[3:11:50 AM] Rohaa: you like using fancy words, yeah?
[3:12:19 AM] Sathor: It's the only way to explain something like energy, and it is still not enough to be truly accurate i think
[3:12:41 AM] Rohaa: you've half decided that everyone at elfpath is stupid because they dont use fancy words
[3:13:04 AM] Sathor: That is pretty brash
[3:13:11 AM] Rohaa: but true :)
[3:13:19 AM] Rohaa: i sense it
[3:13:20 AM] Sathor: I think you've half decided I'm elitist because I am educated, which is also untrue
[3:13:46 AM] Rohaa: kid, im working on my phd. ive a cum laude M.Sc in evolutionary biology. education impresses me not at all
[3:14:00 AM] Sathor: respect for all people is a part of my way of life
[3:14:00 AM] Rohaa: there is a saying
[3:14:09 AM] Rohaa: "if it's not simple, you havent understood it yet"
[3:14:32 AM] Rohaa: people who make long, really complex explanations with fancy words..... havent understood it yet
[3:14:48 AM] Rohaa: a sign that you really get something is if you can explain it to your grandmother and she'll understand it
[3:14:55 AM] Sathor: That's rather ridiculous
[3:15:23 AM] Sathor: Lets see you explain complicated math formulae without extensive knowledge and words that are difficult to understand
[3:15:41 AM] Sathor: Or determine the trajectory of rockets leaving orbit
[3:15:49 AM] Rohaa: it's entirely possible
[3:16:04 AM] Rohaa: have you ever tried to explain something to really young kids, or your grandmother, that was very complicated?
[3:16:09 AM] Sathor: You believe that somehow the science of energy is any less complicated?
[3:16:53 AM] Sathor: Yes, you oversimply but eventually in the case of children they will need to overcomplicate it to function as adults
[3:16:58 AM] Sathor: oversimplify*
[3:17:43 AM] Rohaa: have you ever read any of the more aware wisdom master's work?
[3:18:05 AM] Sathor: I suppose that depends on your subjective interpretation of who a "master" is
[3:18:52 AM] Rohaa: all the ones who really get it dont make big complicated stories with words normal people (like the ones they are teaching) dont understand. they know that all truths in the universe are simple, and if you make a big production out of it, you havent understood it yet
[3:19:02 AM] Rohaa: Hafiz is a good example
[3:19:04 AM] Sathor: Eliphas Levi, Crowley, Dion Fortune, Samael Aun Weor, St. Augustine all very enlightening
[3:19:22 AM] Sathor: Buddha, Jesus Christ
[3:19:32 AM] Rohaa: they also did not make things complicated
[3:19:42 AM] Rohaa: the latter two, that is
[3:20:15 AM] Rohaa: and Einstein did a lot of really difficult to understand work that went far over the heads of his peers, but when he really got it, he said E=MC2. simple. duh.
[3:20:17 AM] Sathor: And obviously the simple explanation has never worked in fixing the problem of humanities own ignorance and suffering, in Einstein's words, "the definition of insanity is repeating the same procedure and expecting different results"
[3:20:22 AM] Rohaa: but only duh once you understand it
[3:20:40 AM] Sathor: energy equals mass times acceleration squared is really not as all-encompassing as people try to make it appear
[3:20:42 AM] Rohaa: that quote is completely unrelated to your point
[3:21:06 AM] Rohaa: here's how it goes with all the big, true things
[3:21:12 AM] Rohaa: no one has a clue it's there or understands it
[3:21:32 AM] Rohaa: then one person figures it out, really understands it, and everyone says "YOU"RE CRAZY". c.f. copernicus
[3:21:38 AM] Sathor: if no one has a clue or understands it then why are you teaching classes about it?
[3:21:55 AM] Rohaa: then as time goes on, they go from that to "well duh, everyone knew that"
[3:22:24 AM] Rohaa: what we are doing is going from a place where people dont have a clue, to making them think it's so duh and simple that everyone knows it
[3:22:38 AM] Rohaa: if it's fancy complicated ideas that are all up in your head, you're not going to learn anything
[3:22:45 AM] Sathor: I'd like to talk to your superior
[3:23:02 AM] Sathor: You are blinded by your subjective opinion and I don't appreciate the way you are treating me whatsoever
[3:23:12 AM] Sathor: You are making accusations you can't substantiate
[3:23:15 AM] Sathor: And it's rather annoying
[3:23:18 AM] Rohaa: child, you can decide to get over yourself and learn, or get out
[3:23:58 AM] Sathor: I think you need to recognize your own ignorance, you are the only child here...and if you are getting a PhD in evolutionary biology, I pity whatever you do with it because you certainly lack whatever is necessary to be a decent human being
[3:24:58 AM] Rohaa: you supposedly are here to learn. with your current attitude, you are handicapping yourself to where you cannot learn to work with energy and your own intuition. so im telling you to knock off that attitude (and have been explaining why), or else you're wasting time here
[3:25:46 AM] Sathor: Oh, really? Because my yoga teacher in the past thought I was a very talented student who learned incredibly fast and had a great deal of intuition, and she was actually in the same room with me and not charging $150 for "advanced classes" over a text-based chat room
[3:26:10 AM] Rohaa: im sure there have been lots of people to pat your ego. i am not one of them. deal.
[3:26:25 AM] Sathor: I won't pat yours either, you certainly aren't deserving of it
[3:26:30 AM] Sathor: And you are no teacher quite obviously
[3:27:17 AM] Rohaa: what we teach here has such a huge impact on people's lives, and it only does so because it forces them to get honest with themselves, to look at all the dark, scary things that they never wanted to look at, including their own emotions and attitudes. that's how you change, and grow
[3:27:42 AM] Rohaa: if you find i have nothing to teach you, then i simply suggest you find another teacher
[3:27:54 AM] Sathor: And the first thing you did was say, "oh i like to use big words so that means I'm a bad, stupid person" real mature of you
[3:28:03 AM] Sathor: Who isn't paying attention to their attitude here?
[3:28:22 AM] Sathor: I gave you an honest explanation of my thoughts on energy
[3:28:31 AM] Rohaa: That is pretty brash
[09:12:45] Rohaa: but true :)
[09:12:52] Rohaa: i sense it
[3:28:39 AM] Sathor: Oh yes, you sense it
[3:28:40 AM] Sathor: Right.
[3:28:54 AM] Sathor: Sorry, but you were wrong, of course now you've made quite a fool out of yourself
[3:29:18 AM] Rohaa: either you believe that we're not teaching complete crap, in which case it is possible to sense many things about people that they are likely not aware of themselves, or you think its nonsense, in which case it's rather silly of you to waste our and your time
[3:29:45 AM] Sathor: Actually that's a logical fallacy, just because I believe what you're teaching is not complete crap does not mean that you have any powers or gifts whatsoever
[3:29:48 AM] Rohaa: and with that, decide. learn, or get out
[3:30:03 AM] Sathor: You may in fact be a mundane whereas the individual who started this whole group is not
[3:30:14 AM] Sathor: And he or she is the one I would like to talk to
[3:30:15 AM] Rohaa: the individual who started this group would be me :)
[3:30:30 AM] Sathor: Oh really? Who's angel then? He was the one who seemed to have something in common with me
[3:30:51 AM] Sathor: According to his beliefs and the systems he is familiar with through the other teachers of this group
[3:30:57 AM] Sathor: as they have told me
[3:31:09 AM] Rohaa: Angel doesnt play with kids anymore for exactly this reason. and he is not the one who started this school, or created this program
[3:31:27 AM] Sathor: Ah, an egotistical god-complex carrying teacher
[3:31:32 AM] Sathor: You seem to think you have special powers
[3:31:37 AM] Rohaa: and the other teachers in this group were trained by me :)
[3:31:39 AM] Sathor: Lets see it
[3:32:27 AM] Sathor: I know there are gifts and powers in this world and that some people have them, but that depends wholly on the individual
[3:32:40 AM] Rohaa: Angel has taught me everything I know about this. and if he were to talk to you, he would not be as patient as I am being right now. he would have told you to shut up and behave from the fist 5 minutes on.
[3:32:54 AM] Sathor: Really? If he was worth his weight, he would probably have a rather interesting discussion with me
[3:33:01 AM] Rohaa: everyone has intuitive gifts, and everyone who wants to can learn. you are clearly not one of them.
[3:33:21 AM] Rohaa: you are clearly not ready for a white belt, or to study at elfpath. you're dismissed.
[3:33:24 AM] Sathor: My intuition about you is that you and your entire group is an absolute fraud ripping off Robert Bruce and a number of other new age writers
[3:33:41 AM] Sathor: And unfortunately also charging for this "secret" information
[3:33:55 AM] Sathor: Which isn't very secret at all, I am far more learned than you and it is unfortunate you can't even accept that
[3:34:47 AM] Sathor: Also, your other teachers are absolutely horrible :)
[3:35:06 AM] Sathor: I could explain in fewer words and less time the same exact concepts which have been repeated through hundreds of books published in recent years
[3:35:17 AM] Sathor: They are weak reflections of the source of all secret knowledge in the distant past
[3:36:03 AM] Sathor: You are angry and bewildered because you have come across an individual who is more advanced than yourself spiritually
[3:36:11 AM] Sathor: I am sorry you aren't ready to handle the truth

Comments

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid <3

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately this doesn't exist in elfpath - see the log between me and Rohaa. Anyone that says I somehow "deserved" the treatment I received must've completely lost it. Both the teacher and student invest time, and both should be respected because of that. I showed rohaa plenty of respect and received none in return. If elfpath has no place for all of the classical literature regarding spiritual practice, then I simply have to say it's not the place for me - but don't take what I said and twist it, then post it on your forum so your kiddie students don't end up hearing the real story. A big part of the reason I posted the log here in my journal is so there was a place the -UNEDITED- version could exist.