Elfpath can suck it.

[sathor]

I think Rohaa is a young male, preteen or teenager. I really thought Elfpath might've had something useful to teach me eventually, that it may have worked up to some valuable information, but it is obvious from the way Rohaa reacted to my "big words" that he/she has nothing valuable to offer. PhD? Yeah right. Middle school dumbass.

[3:02:47 AM] Sathor: Rohaa? Do you know when you'll next be available to give a white belt test?
[3:03:04 AM] Rohaa: ive some time now
[3:03:31 AM] Sathor: It wouldn't be too much trouble then?
[3:03:53 AM] Rohaa: not at all. it was night last time you said hi :)
[3:04:27 AM] Sathor: I am a bit of a night owl
[3:05:12 AM] Rohaa: ready?
[3:05:24 AM] Sathor: I suppose...lets see what happens
[3:05:36 AM] Rohaa: alright. tell me how you would define what energy is
[3:06:33 AM] Sathor: Energy is a kind of force, it permeates and interconnects everything and is present almost everywhere
[3:06:46 AM] Sathor: But especially so in living things
[3:07:24 AM] Sathor: It's a spiritual force that's not necessarily contingent on the material though
[3:07:34 AM] Rohaa: can you explain that?
[3:07:50 AM] Sathor: Which part?
[3:07:53 AM] Sathor: The last?
[3:08:20 AM] Rohaa: yes
[3:08:46 AM] Sathor: energy does not need matter to exist
[3:08:55 AM] Sathor: although the opposite is likely true
[3:09:46 AM] Rohaa: and how would you say the two interact?
[3:10:12 AM] Sathor: I think it is mainly on a subtle level that is hard to perceive
[3:11:18 AM] Sathor: energy plays a role in everything, and it is a part of all matter, but I'm not certain matter has much of a role in energy itself
[3:11:26 AM] Sathor: An issue of as above so below, I think
[3:11:36 AM] Sathor: the inverse is not always true
[3:11:50 AM] Rohaa: you like using fancy words, yeah?
[3:12:19 AM] Sathor: It's the only way to explain something like energy, and it is still not enough to be truly accurate i think
[3:12:41 AM] Rohaa: you've half decided that everyone at elfpath is stupid because they dont use fancy words
[3:13:04 AM] Sathor: That is pretty brash
[3:13:11 AM] Rohaa: but true :)
[3:13:19 AM] Rohaa: i sense it
[3:13:20 AM] Sathor: I think you've half decided I'm elitist because I am educated, which is also untrue
[3:13:46 AM] Rohaa: kid, im working on my phd. ive a cum laude M.Sc in evolutionary biology. education impresses me not at all
[3:14:00 AM] Sathor: respect for all people is a part of my way of life
[3:14:00 AM] Rohaa: there is a saying
[3:14:09 AM] Rohaa: "if it's not simple, you havent understood it yet"
[3:14:32 AM] Rohaa: people who make long, really complex explanations with fancy words..... havent understood it yet
[3:14:48 AM] Rohaa: a sign that you really get something is if you can explain it to your grandmother and she'll understand it
[3:14:55 AM] Sathor: That's rather ridiculous
[3:15:23 AM] Sathor: Lets see you explain complicated math formulae without extensive knowledge and words that are difficult to understand
[3:15:41 AM] Sathor: Or determine the trajectory of rockets leaving orbit
[3:15:49 AM] Rohaa: it's entirely possible
[3:16:04 AM] Rohaa: have you ever tried to explain something to really young kids, or your grandmother, that was very complicated?
[3:16:09 AM] Sathor: You believe that somehow the science of energy is any less complicated?
[3:16:53 AM] Sathor: Yes, you oversimply but eventually in the case of children they will need to overcomplicate it to function as adults
[3:16:58 AM] Sathor: oversimplify*
[3:17:43 AM] Rohaa: have you ever read any of the more aware wisdom master's work?
[3:18:05 AM] Sathor: I suppose that depends on your subjective interpretation of who a "master" is
[3:18:52 AM] Rohaa: all the ones who really get it dont make big complicated stories with words normal people (like the ones they are teaching) dont understand. they know that all truths in the universe are simple, and if you make a big production out of it, you havent understood it yet
[3:19:02 AM] Rohaa: Hafiz is a good example
[3:19:04 AM] Sathor: Eliphas Levi, Crowley, Dion Fortune, Samael Aun Weor, St. Augustine all very enlightening
[3:19:22 AM] Sathor: Buddha, Jesus Christ
[3:19:32 AM] Rohaa: they also did not make things complicated
[3:19:42 AM] Rohaa: the latter two, that is
[3:20:15 AM] Rohaa: and Einstein did a lot of really difficult to understand work that went far over the heads of his peers, but when he really got it, he said E=MC2. simple. duh.
[3:20:17 AM] Sathor: And obviously the simple explanation has never worked in fixing the problem of humanities own ignorance and suffering, in Einstein's words, "the definition of insanity is repeating the same procedure and expecting different results"
[3:20:22 AM] Rohaa: but only duh once you understand it
[3:20:40 AM] Sathor: energy equals mass times acceleration squared is really not as all-encompassing as people try to make it appear
[3:20:42 AM] Rohaa: that quote is completely unrelated to your point
[3:21:06 AM] Rohaa: here's how it goes with all the big, true things
[3:21:12 AM] Rohaa: no one has a clue it's there or understands it
[3:21:32 AM] Rohaa: then one person figures it out, really understands it, and everyone says "YOU"RE CRAZY". c.f. copernicus
[3:21:38 AM] Sathor: if no one has a clue or understands it then why are you teaching classes about it?
[3:21:55 AM] Rohaa: then as time goes on, they go from that to "well duh, everyone knew that"
[3:22:24 AM] Rohaa: what we are doing is going from a place where people dont have a clue, to making them think it's so duh and simple that everyone knows it
[3:22:38 AM] Rohaa: if it's fancy complicated ideas that are all up in your head, you're not going to learn anything
[3:22:45 AM] Sathor: I'd like to talk to your superior
[3:23:02 AM] Sathor: You are blinded by your subjective opinion and I don't appreciate the way you are treating me whatsoever
[3:23:12 AM] Sathor: You are making accusations you can't substantiate
[3:23:15 AM] Sathor: And it's rather annoying
[3:23:18 AM] Rohaa: child, you can decide to get over yourself and learn, or get out
[3:23:58 AM] Sathor: I think you need to recognize your own ignorance, you are the only child here...and if you are getting a PhD in evolutionary biology, I pity whatever you do with it because you certainly lack whatever is necessary to be a decent human being
[3:24:58 AM] Rohaa: you supposedly are here to learn. with your current attitude, you are handicapping yourself to where you cannot learn to work with energy and your own intuition. so im telling you to knock off that attitude (and have been explaining why), or else you're wasting time here
[3:25:46 AM] Sathor: Oh, really? Because my yoga teacher in the past thought I was a very talented student who learned incredibly fast and had a great deal of intuition, and she was actually in the same room with me and not charging $150 for "advanced classes" over a text-based chat room
[3:26:10 AM] Rohaa: im sure there have been lots of people to pat your ego. i am not one of them. deal.
[3:26:25 AM] Sathor: I won't pat yours either, you certainly aren't deserving of it
[3:26:30 AM] Sathor: And you are no teacher quite obviously
[3:27:17 AM] Rohaa: what we teach here has such a huge impact on people's lives, and it only does so because it forces them to get honest with themselves, to look at all the dark, scary things that they never wanted to look at, including their own emotions and attitudes. that's how you change, and grow
[3:27:42 AM] Rohaa: if you find i have nothing to teach you, then i simply suggest you find another teacher
[3:27:54 AM] Sathor: And the first thing you did was say, "oh i like to use big words so that means I'm a bad, stupid person" real mature of you
[3:28:03 AM] Sathor: Who isn't paying attention to their attitude here?
[3:28:22 AM] Sathor: I gave you an honest explanation of my thoughts on energy
[3:28:31 AM] Rohaa: That is pretty brash
[09:12:45] Rohaa: but true :)
[09:12:52] Rohaa: i sense it
[3:28:39 AM] Sathor: Oh yes, you sense it
[3:28:40 AM] Sathor: Right.
[3:28:54 AM] Sathor: Sorry, but you were wrong, of course now you've made quite a fool out of yourself
[3:29:18 AM] Rohaa: either you believe that we're not teaching complete crap, in which case it is possible to sense many things about people that they are likely not aware of themselves, or you think its nonsense, in which case it's rather silly of you to waste our and your time
[3:29:45 AM] Sathor: Actually that's a logical fallacy, just because I believe what you're teaching is not complete crap does not mean that you have any powers or gifts whatsoever
[3:29:48 AM] Rohaa: and with that, decide. learn, or get out
[3:30:03 AM] Sathor: You may in fact be a mundane whereas the individual who started this whole group is not
[3:30:14 AM] Sathor: And he or she is the one I would like to talk to
[3:30:15 AM] Rohaa: the individual who started this group would be me :)
[3:30:30 AM] Sathor: Oh really? Who's angel then? He was the one who seemed to have something in common with me
[3:30:51 AM] Sathor: According to his beliefs and the systems he is familiar with through the other teachers of this group
[3:30:57 AM] Sathor: as they have told me
[3:31:09 AM] Rohaa: Angel doesnt play with kids anymore for exactly this reason. and he is not the one who started this school, or created this program
[3:31:27 AM] Sathor: Ah, an egotistical god-complex carrying teacher
[3:31:32 AM] Sathor: You seem to think you have special powers
[3:31:37 AM] Rohaa: and the other teachers in this group were trained by me :)
[3:31:39 AM] Sathor: Lets see it
[3:32:27 AM] Sathor: I know there are gifts and powers in this world and that some people have them, but that depends wholly on the individual
[3:32:40 AM] Rohaa: Angel has taught me everything I know about this. and if he were to talk to you, he would not be as patient as I am being right now. he would have told you to shut up and behave from the fist 5 minutes on.
[3:32:54 AM] Sathor: Really? If he was worth his weight, he would probably have a rather interesting discussion with me
[3:33:01 AM] Rohaa: everyone has intuitive gifts, and everyone who wants to can learn. you are clearly not one of them.
[3:33:21 AM] Rohaa: you are clearly not ready for a white belt, or to study at elfpath. you're dismissed.
[3:33:24 AM] Sathor: My intuition about you is that you and your entire group is an absolute fraud ripping off Robert Bruce and a number of other new age writers
[3:33:41 AM] Sathor: And unfortunately also charging for this "secret" information
[3:33:55 AM] Sathor: Which isn't very secret at all, I am far more learned than you and it is unfortunate you can't even accept that
[3:34:47 AM] Sathor: Also, your other teachers are absolutely horrible :)
[3:35:06 AM] Sathor: I could explain in fewer words and less time the same exact concepts which have been repeated through hundreds of books published in recent years
[3:35:17 AM] Sathor: They are weak reflections of the source of all secret knowledge in the distant past
[3:36:03 AM] Sathor: You are angry and bewildered because you have come across an individual who is more advanced than yourself spiritually
[3:36:11 AM] Sathor: I am sorry you aren't ready to handle the truth

Comments

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Glad to see it helped someone out. Unfortunately there's no way to shut them down completely.

I think a big part of what they are doing has to deal with making money. And they've probably already made quite a bit - wish I would've been making $150/head in school.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[gency.livejournal.com]

No, if they wanted money, they would make people feel really good about being at elfpath. Instead of isolating and openly guilt tripling and assassinating ones character. I think Elfpath is a cult. Like Scientology you have to climb up the ladder to learn there "secrets". Rohaa really thinks she is all powerful, she also lives with Angel, if you don see whats going on there, Im sorry, i'm going to have to laugh at you. I have a friend who also quit. She left because she was humiliated in front of her class, because her totem was a Black Panther. Rohaa didn't like her black panther, she said evil Witch Doctors used a black panther to attack her and they were evil. Even though I can find any culture thats says black panthers are evil. In fact the Catholic Church uses it as one of the symbols of Jesus. The fucking Catholic Church dude, there ratio of good symbol Vs. evil is pretty steep. The panther is an all an all good totem. I don't know what her problem is.... Oh ya i do, shes a cult leader.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Well, what's the driving force behind a cults existence, besides money and power over others? $150 is a steep price for "advanced courses" - you'd pay similar amounts for -original- esoteric texts on ebay. And you'd probably get a much better bang for your buck, in that case.

Angel lives with her? I didn't know that, but that helps me make some more sense of all of it. But you know, it hardly makes a difference...in the basic course, they maybe touched on some of the most -basic- concepts someone like Robert Bruce has taught for years, and in advanced, I can't imagine them doing much more.

I don't really practice anymore, and for good reason - I simply don't have the time to invest. I'm a pianist and I love classical literature. Best of luck to you on your path.

Maybe more people will eventually find this post, and see elfpath for what it is.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Okay, dude, do you think this is some kind of open forum where you can just post whatever you like? Unfortunately my journal simply isn't democratic - it's mostly authoritarian.

I mean, what the HELL are you writing? How the HELL can you believe this shit? A dark shaman attacks Rohaa? As a black panther? Did she go to the hospital from lacerations? What the fuck?

Fluffy new age bullshit. Take it elsewhere, kthx. When you figure out what real magick is all about maybe we can have a conversation.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

Totems aren't physical creatures, of course. I thought you'd be aware of that. They represent the essence of sucha creature, but in no way are they present in the physical plane. Unless some happen to actually live in your neighbourhood (like birds eh). And neither can people change in these animals. Though you can tap into their essence and characteristics.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

Okay I have to admit you make a strong point abut posting whatever I like. I went out of line in explaining the situation out in the open
a) most people have no clue and would make assumptions about said situation
b) this isnt a place to mention names and subjects when this was a private talk to begin with.

If you would not mind, I'd like to delete my messages, and I hope you would delete your own to, in order to avoid confusion. That being said though, do with your own comments what you want. Point is just that what I said is inappropriate, and I apologise for bringing it up in your own private journal.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[sathor.livejournal.com]

I can make a lot stronger points if I feel it's necessary. This log is proof that Rohaa is a lot "smaller" than she claims to be, that's all it is. To be quite frank, she's nothing more than a egomaniacal wench. Anyone who "leads" a group of "spiritual people" has no place making snap judgments about an individual. She hadn't had one real discussion with me prior to that log, ergo she knew nothing about me. "Scanning" is a load of shit. "Powers" are a load of shit. Real magick is so far fucking removed from any of the crap she talks about, I don't even know where to begin.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

Fair enough if that's what you believe, but that's unrelated to my post. What I was talking about is the Panther situation. That's the only thing I cared to delete.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Yes but the only reason you or anyone else from ElfPath showed up here is because of Rohaa's complete inability to be a decent human being. That's all that -needs- to be said on the matter. The evidence is clear. If she were an enlightened individual, she wouldn't need to reduce herself to the level she does to deal with a student she "disagrees" with. And that brings into question anything she says with regards to "spirituality" such as "spirit panthers" and "dark shamans" all of which are, mostly, complete constructs of imagination.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

Again, unrelated to what I asked. It's what you believe, sure. There are people who agree, there are people who don't. Don't care much. Get over it.

So let's get to the point. How about you agree with the fact that it's inappropriate to mention people with names and situations? And if so, let's both delete those messages above?

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[sathor.livejournal.com]

There are people who are irrational, and can't back their arguments up with one iota of evidence, and there are people who can.

I can mention whoever I want, whenever I want - this is a private journal. And whether you like it or not, everything that has been said here will be discoverable by people looking for outside information regarding elfpath.

I mean, Rohaa quoted me out of context on /her/ forum, and changed things that I said to fit her design - why the hell would I want to hide that from anyone? Forget it. You can delete your posts, I could care less. This entire entry will stick around, and apparently is attracting ever growing attention.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

Again, don't care for that. It's an exact copy of what she posted on the forum, believe it or not. I have the log saved on my computer back from when it happened. The same thing. Both sides are mentioned here now, so now people can make their own view. I don't want you to hide that all.
The entry can stick around for all I care. And I'm all for the attraction. Drama is the most effective way ever to make people put attention on something, so thanks for that.

But what I think should be gone is the stuff we had disagreements on about the totems, like I originally said. It confuses people, and I mentioned people directly with their issues and past. Not ok. But fine, I'm not forcing you to. My post about it is gone. Now there's only confusing bits left that make people wonder about people meta-morphing into panthers. Which is indeed rather rediculous.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Well, you might have a log of it, but I have a pretty solid memory. Right after it happened, Rohaa posted a modified version. I don't really need any agreement from your end, I know what was done.

If Elfpath feels intimidated by people with large lexicons (which was the only substantial "argument" rohaa made to explain her position) then it can try and thrive with individuals who can't handle high-end material. It seems obvious to me anyone who has any degree of intellectual capacity is going to be thrown out. After all, Rohaa claims to nearly have a PhD - her vernacular certainly doesn't show it - and she doesn't need people smarter than herself lessening her influence.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

Okay I will just stop trying now because you're simply ignoring my point altogether. I stopped trying to argue with you hours ago. For the umpteenth time, both side are shown. People can decide for their own. Great. Now get over it, neither of us will change sides.

I wanted you to look at the simple fact that we argued for a while here about someone's past and experience whilst her name was mentioned here directly, which is ethically incorrect. But apparently you're too much blinded by your rage against EP that you forgot to pay attention to what you were aiming to achieve -- Ethical or moral justice right? So please snap out of that and look at what needs done - ethically so. I'm fine if you simply don't want to delete your posts about along with my own (only those few, not the stuff below this very post), but the least you can do is to at least show interest towards ethical correctness.

This is my last post alltogether. I'm done arguing ages ago, and now I'm also tired of getting you to ask yourself if you should or shouldn't delete the chat about the animal totems. I'm finally done playing your game.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid

[sathor.livejournal.com]

There is no other side, you egotistical fuck. I'm sorry, but you're a complete fucking idiot, and I don't have the words to describe to you how STUPID you are for believing - for a fucking minute - that your ignorant leader could - even in some alternate dimension with different rules - be validated in the position she took with regards to myself. Don't post here again, I don't need a retard like yourself wasting MY fucking time.

Ethics? I only care about ethics when I am given respect and egalitarian treatment. This did not happen when I was working in elfpath, nor has it happened at any point during these conversations. Your focus on a meaningless point (what about totems? Who really gives a shit? Anyone who reads this journal, if the need be, can ask me about anything they don't understand) underscores the fact that you are avoiding -my- side of the argument. There is no OTHER side. Rohaa HAS NO DEFENSE for the way she acted or treated me, or others, besides her retarded imagination.

I'll tell you what, go whine to Rohaa, maybe she'll send some SPIRIT PANTHERS to deal with me, since all of her cronies seem completely incapable of doing so. After all, can't have a dissenting voice being heard if you're a fucking CULT.

Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid <3

[gency.livejournal.com]

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I took there intro chores because I was am really into alchemy and the occult. I thought EP would be a good place to start. But the teachers there are so one sided on everything. Every time I talk philosophically about something They get angry at me. Like for example: Awareness, awareness is something people have debated about since we 'became' aware. I talk about René Descartes's "Cogito, ergo sum" Or "I think therefor I am." I was saying that Awareness is knowing you existence. Without awareness how can you exist, right? It was a different theory I thought I would talk about. They thought I was being funny and told me to I needed to take this seriously if I wanted to make white belt. I ask you Why so Serious? If this is just a school, why can i learn on my own terms? A school should be open to every ones opinion. Not one, then the school is no longer a school, but a cult.


Thanks Sathor, I thought I was the only one who thought this way.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid <3

[chimaerikal.livejournal.com]

As a teacher there, I find this troubling. I can't take the experience back, of course, but I'm sorry that happened. You really did make a good, interesting point and a good teacher should be open to new ideas from students if they hope to understand the rewards of teaching.

I can't pass a thorough judgment without hearing from the teacher as well, but this is something that I'm going to look into.

Re: Thanks for saving me from the kool-aid &lt;3

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately this doesn't exist in elfpath - see the log between me and Rohaa. Anyone that says I somehow "deserved" the treatment I received must've completely lost it. Both the teacher and student invest time, and both should be respected because of that. I showed rohaa plenty of respect and received none in return. If elfpath has no place for all of the classical literature regarding spiritual practice, then I simply have to say it's not the place for me - but don't take what I said and twist it, then post it on your forum so your kiddie students don't end up hearing the real story. A big part of the reason I posted the log here in my journal is so there was a place the -UNEDITED- version could exist.

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

For free? How funny, Elfpath's introduction course IS free, and it encompasses everything those other groups discuss as well. Intro is simply everything you need to build a healthier life. Intermediate, Advanced and Grad course go further than that, digging into the deeper levels of the meta. You're not forced to follow these courses either. Unless you want to dig deeper into the meta than you could in those 'other groups', you don't have to pay either. This isn't a profit group, but low-profit. If we'd be in the profit end, we'd ask payment for the Intro course. Not gonna happen.

Also, about your discussion with Rohaa.

"Everything is energy."
It's that simple. You did overcomplicate it, and if you *would* understand what energy really is, you wouldn't use all those fancy words and big-ass sentences. You'd keep it simple and just say "Everything". Duh.

She pushed your buttons when poking that fact that you didn't truly understand it. That everything simple is true. So when she wasn't intent on giving you a pat on the head and give you the benefit of a non-existent doubt, the Control Drama started rolling on your end. Remember those? Sadly enough, Rohaa doesn't play Control Dramas with people. So you ended up being pissed off for maybe actually not being bigger than she is. Oops, too bad. Accept it and know you can learn more than you know now, or convince yourself she's just wrong and leave.

Both are valid options, and fine by me, but you cannot simply go around posting that what we do is blatantly moronic and useless. What Elfpath does is saving people through Love. Anyone reading journals on the site, or reading my blog, realises that Elfpath is in the first place a Community. Not a cult. We work as a team, not just one person at the top. Neither does she expect us to worship her. At all. You think it's easy to do everything she does? What Angel does? Both have been on the brink of death for doing what they do. Rohaa needs our help as much as we need hers, and she doesn't hide that fact. Two days ago even, she confronted us with that again, with the fact that she's still human, just like us. That's how things roll. That's how friends roll.

And she's absolutely right.. Angel does not have the patience like she does. If people don't start with the 'student' attitude, or don't quickly accept that it's the best way to learn, then nothing's gonna happen between you and him.

[sathor.livejournal.com]

I don't know, there appears to be enough individuals with opinions contradictory to your own to negate completely any kind of defense you could muster with regards to ElfPath. Personally, I could care less - it was an absolute waste of time, besides the fact none of its information comes from any reputable resources. It's essentially some new age bullshit. And I mean, why would you bother going out of your way to defend it - if it had some kind of use, shouldn't you be out there using it for good, instead of trying to tell someone like me the virtues of it?

The brink of death for doing what they do? What are you, insane?

I think you need to sit down and think for a minute about what you've said here, because honestly I can't find one iota of empirical evidence.

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

Why settle with one when I can do both :)

And actually, I am aware of the fact that I am loony. Crazy, maybe. And for example... you are aware of the fact that Angel is a shaman himself, right? And you probably know that to unlock the potential you have at birth for shamanism, you have to die first. So Angel has actually already been clinically dead before. But aside of that, yeah, they had their share of trials. Still do.

And you think I didn't sit down and think before I replied? Believe what you want. I'm aware of the fact that you turned away from Elfpath ages ago. But just as much as you want people to see Elfpath for what it is, as much do I want the same. For that reason I provided people who read this with both sides of a story, and give them the choice to make up their own mind.

[sathor.livejournal.com]

Actually, that's not true - I know some native americans who would completely disagree with you on "how" shamans come to "be"

The problem is if you want to shout from the rooftops your love of something like "elfpath" this isn't the place to do it. This is a personal journal, and to be honest, what goes on in here is none of your fucking business. Thanks.

[epiclunatic.livejournal.com]

It is if you reply on my own blog about what nonsense Elfpath is and provide a link to your own blog. Really, you could've expected as much.

[dharmatoo.livejournal.com]

im so glad to see this writing on elfpath, rohaa (alias minke langenhof) and epiclunatic (alias wim)trying to undo/delete anything on the interent that says something negative (read: truth) of Rohaa or elfpath. Even on Rohaa's side on facebook, she mentioned that she deletes all negative comments on her youtube movies of certain individuals who know what it is al about, a sect and a brainwashing cult. So keep this blog up in the air please, so people can be warned not to get involved! I have to say , that it was really ugly all the mind games writings of epiclunatic (see above) pfff what an effort trying to gain dominion of the conversation, if you know what i mean. So let that be the advertising of elfpath, these posts of epiclunatic, who has been at elfpath from the beginning, and learn from it...the conclusion: I read no humbleness, honesty or non-violonce communication whatsoever in epilunatics posts... Disresepect and harrassing anyone who has another opinion, certainly when it comes to an opinion that states clearly that elfpath is nothing more than a sect and a lot of bogus.