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Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream...
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream...

But a dream.


I have realized that this might be the last life for true freedom.

If I cannot reach my end now, then I may never reach it.

If humanity chooses the path of eternal peace through eradication of all beliefs but one, there will be no chance for people in the future to learn anything new.

If a soul cannot learn lessons, it cannot ascend.

It will decay, die, and return again futilly.

If this happens, humanity will remain in a stagnant existence until the very light of our existence is snuffed out, as the last breath of our life - the sun - dies.

You see, every choice we are given, when taken away, by law, by anything, it is another step towards that. Another step towards one idea, one thought, one existence, and no other.

Of course, right now we still have the choices. But what about the generations to come? Sooner or later humanity will perfect the ability to create minds that do not question the morality of the law. Sooner or later philosophy as we know it will die, unless we keep it alive. No one will question right and wrong, because even right and wrong will not exist. We will only have right, because that will be all that we know. Right of course, in the sense of the person who creates the right and teaches it. It's just like Brave New World.

It's funny, how some people when they read books like that...they say, "Absurd, Impossible."

So untrue.

In any case, it's an eternal cycle. If you say, "Eye for an eye" for your law, you end up saying the law's right is the right right, if a man defended his wife and killed another man who attempted to kill her, he would die too, by eye for an eye. And in reality, that's just another form of saying, "You're wrong, we're right. So sorry."

It really is a never-ending cycle. All of the ideals that we want, in the end, will lead right back to where we are. Unless of course EVERYONE simultaneously didn't want to harm another man in any way, and then we could have a world where people could do as they wanted. Cultivate any plants they wanted. Use any drugs they wanted. Even kill themselves if they really wanted too.

But we all know that will never happen, not unless the whole of humanity suddenly was enlightened by divine intervention. So in reality, you have one choice for eternal peace.

And that is the very thing that will cause the slow decay and ultimate death of the human soul and it's journey in learning. Maybe it would adapt to still teach lessons in the enviroment, but when the enviroment is controlled, no sense of chaos, how can that be...

Chaos, when looked upon in that sense, is not such a terrible thing. In fact it is beautiful.


I mean, I woke up this morning feeling that anxiety, that sadness, from nothing. Saddam is captured they say, oh, rejoice, we've captured the tyrant. Rejoice, in our imperialism. Rejoice, that we have eradicated a different way of life.

Another way of life, destroyed. You people think you're doing the world good. I'd rather see total anarchy in this entire rotting cesspool than see another way of life destroyed with 'good intentions'. At least in total anarchy people have a choice. At least they aren't supressed and told they are wrong. True, maybe many people will die for no reason at all, but at least everyone who is alive would have a choice, to be who they want to be, when they want to be, before they die.

Go fuck yourself America.

Date: 2003-12-15 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phyrra.livejournal.com
if you haven't already, you need to read "The Giver"
it discusses a society with very little in the way of choices.
of course, i'd like to think that chaos will reign supreme and that will not be allowed to happen

Bitchy Post

Date: 2003-12-15 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennb.livejournal.com
Jake, go read some fucking history. And then some anthropology books. And then some books on psychology. That's just not how things work.

Date: 2003-12-15 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noximist.livejournal.com
We're reaching the end of a cycle. See also: Rome, and every other great empire that eventually turned to overreaching control and fell. I understand what you're saying, but I also think you're being a bit short-sighted - one nation cannot ruin existence for the rest of eternity. That is, unless you think the US now is more powerful than all of the other nations that have ever tried, and I really don't think it is; it has more technology, but in return, so does everyone else, and many more nations are willing and able to argue. Compared to Rome, the US is still a drop in an ocean - and Rome is now a nice place to visit with a lot of crumbly history to look at. Things change, and a few decades (even a few centuries) of oppression do not mean that freedom will never return.

It's probably good that Saddam is captured, despite how useless the war may have been. Another way of life aside, he is still responsible for millions of deaths. Should countries meddle in the business of others? I don't know, honestly. I'm rather cynical about how all of this will end, and don't think it should've been begun... but if it ends up saving millions of lives, the pragmatist in me is not against seeing thousands die. I just don't know yet if that's really the case.

By the way, in total anarchy, the only people who have choices are the ones with the most weapons.

Re: Bitchy Post

Date: 2003-12-15 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noximist.livejournal.com
We posted two minutes apart, but that's just because I said that in about a million more characters. *grin*

Date: 2003-12-15 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sathor.livejournal.com
Well Noxi, I only have one thing to say to you.

Do you really believe it totally impossible, in all of this infinite realm of possibilities, for America...or the Coalition if you will, because America really isn't alone totally you know...to do such a thing?

Or do you just not want it to happen?

Just because it's a dark improbability doesn't make it impossible.
Just because in history it hasn't happened yet doesn't make it impossible either, I think you know that. Because there had to be a first Empire to rise, correct? There has to be a first time for anything.

In any case...I don't want to argue. That post was meant as another vent, I guess if I had titled it as such people wouldn't have jumped on my case but obviously people have a problem with me considering a dark improbability.

Date: 2003-12-15 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sathor.livejournal.com
I read that back when I was in fifth grade I think.

I thought it was a really good but sad book.

-nods- Chaos is required in the balance, just as order is. The balance is only beautiful when both exist in harmony.

Date: 2003-12-15 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noximist.livejournal.com
No, I don't think it's possible; I think that they could take over things and fuck a lot of things up, but I don't believe that anything political lasts forever, which is the only thing I took exception with in your post.

I wasn't trying to argue, nor was I trying to jump on your case; I was just trying to express another viewpoint. If you don't want those, all you have to do is let people know that.

Date: 2003-12-15 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sathor.livejournal.com
Heh, no, I like it when I see another viewpoint, I don't like it when people just tell me to go read some more shit to prove to myself that I'm wrong.

In my post I never said it was /going/ to happen. I said it's possible. Truly, I think it is possible, if things were done right. I doubt things can be done right though, considering the fact we've made a lot of enemies in europe by not allowing them to have contracts to help rebuild Iraq (I applaud them for not joining the war as well, because the war was not for a just cause at all)

There are 90+ countries in this world with situations similar to iraq, with inhumane dictators stealing money from the people and killing thousands, possibly millions of innocents. The US chose Iraq because a: Oil. b: They could choose it, because they could say he was harboring Al Qaeda (Arab country after all, ANY Arab country could harbor Al Qaeda in the eyes of America, because Arab = the Enemy basically) Even our allies in Saudi Arabia had Al Qaeda training facilities...I wonder why they only ran that info for about a day on the news...

We also gave him all of the WMDs, if there are even any left. We created the evil, but no one wants to blame America, they want to blame someone else.

I didn't think you jumped on my case noxi, you made a valid point. I'm just not in the best of moods because of Jenn up there.

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